In addition, the AR-15 platform that has become so popular in the last half-century also continues to evolve, as we’ll see shortly. The 22 Nosler case holds 34.2gr H2O at overflow, and 31.2gr H2O with a 55gr Ballistic Tip® seated to 2.260” OAL. It seems 224 Valkarie is the new thing right now but I'm still leaning towards the 22CM. Always cross-reference load data with manufacturer’s published data. American Rifleman | The Keefe Report: Go Small or Go Home—22 Nosler . If you’re looking for a coyote and prairie dog rifle, at ranges out to 500 or 600 yards, I doubt you’d see much of a difference. So, while the 22 Nosler could shoot those bullets 200-300 fps faster than the .223 (which isn’t nothing), that was basically the extent of the performance improvements of the 22 Nosler vs the 223 Remington at first. Driving that heavy bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2,700 fps, the .224 Valkyrie makes a perfectly viable cartridge for 1,000-yard shooting. 1, I sold my 204 ifle in favor of the 22-250 rifle. Clearly, the .22-250 is a better tool for taking shots at extreme ranges than either the .223 Rem. Here’s a summary of the requirements and differences for reloading these two cartridges: So if your press is setup for .223/5.56 reloading, you’ll need to do the following to load 22 Nosler: That’s about it! If you are setup to reload .223 Remington (or 5.56 NATO which is very similar), you are almost ready to reload 22 Nosler. I think the .224 Valkyrie will be with us for quite some time, and create quite a few converts. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. $19.50 As low as: $19.28 . I started with 22 Nosler by shooting a PRS match, and then worked through loads and fine-tuned my setup to get maximum performance, longevity, and reliability out of my loads. Federal offers a varmint load, using the 60-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, a 75-grain FMJ load in the American Eagle line, the aforementioned 90-grain Sierra MatchKing and a 90-grain Fusion load for hunting larger game. The .22 Nosler is a proprietary design, having no parent case—and thereby eliminating the possibility of creating it from another source—and is only available as produced by Nosler. or .204 Ruger. 6mm PPC-USA. While both with stay supersonic out to 1,000 yards, the twist rates in the rifles chambered for each of them. Remington has had an unbridled love affair with the . by Philip Massaro - Significantly, both rounds share the same .378 bolt face diameter, so if you build a rifle based on the Nosler you can use the standard mil-spec .223 bolt. Once I get that kind of result, I let it rip, and monitor powder level in every case. 22 Nosler Brass Longevity One of the concerns early on with 22 Nosler (early 2017) was the longevity of 22 Nosler brass. That means it uses the same bolt face, making it simple to transform a 5.56/.223 AR into a.22 Nosler. Your email address will not be published. Both cartridges offer fantastic trajectories, and will certainly handle almost all the prairie dog/woodchuck/coyote shots you can muster. Most of the early firearms (and even some modern guns) chambered for the Hornet have barrels with 1-16” twist rates and/or .223” groove diameters. Joined May 24, 2016 Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. It is claimed that the 22 Nosler delivers 25% more case capacity and is nearly 300 fps faster than a .223 … As mentioned in previous articles in this series, I did have an issue with excessive pressure with my “first PRS load” – and that translated to some case head swipe as well as ejector recess embossing on the case head. One thing that one must considered, with the rebated rim you’ll need to use a 223 bolt. Bolt Face So, both are viable for long-range shooting—again, depending upon your ranges—and both run at very similar velocities, so which gets the nod? and .22-250 show the differences favoring the latter cartridge. The 22 Nosler has almost 25% more case capacity than the 223 Remington. 'http':'https';if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src=p+'://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js';fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs);}}(document, 'script', 'twitter-wjs'); © 2021 Copyright 2016 Ultimate Reloader LLC. Using a rebated rim—to maintain the same case head diameter of the .223 Remington (0.378″), so as to maintain the same bolt face—the .22 Nosler uses a wider case dimension for additional case capacity. From what I understand, Nosler made a change to their brass production for 22 Nosler specifically that was aimed at addressing this issue. The larger Nosler case delivers approximately 36 grains of water at overflow—compared to the .223 Remington’s 28 grains—for what generally equates to a 14-15 percent increase in case capacity. Always cross-reference load data with manufacturer's published data. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2021 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Why Every Hunter Should Own a Rifle in a Common Caliber, Head to Head: .22-250 Remington vs. .204 Ruger, 2021 National Rifle Association of America. I pulled a factory 55gr and the charge is 33.7 grs what a looks to be cfe 223. The 22 Nosler’s 30-degree shoulder (the.223 Rem. We did have some misses obviously but I think we only had one that we didn't find. Here’s a view from the side showing the case wall and the rim from the side: From this test, I’m confident that my H-380 load is one that will afford long brass life, and also achieve great performance. If you mean a 24" 556 vs. an 18" Nosler you are correct. The concept is simple; switch out the barrel of your AR-platform rifle, use a 6.8 SPC magazine (as the Nosler cartridge has similar outside dimensions) and you’ll see a definite increase in long-range performance. The 52 grain bullet handled wind better than the 35 grain bullet. If you want to punch paper the valarkie is a better option for shooting the heavys. Follow @UReloader Here’s what I found: In the picture above at left we have an un-fired brand new case next to a case that was loaded and fired one time next to a case that was loaded and fired ten times in succession. One, the twist rate allows for ridiculously heavy bullets to be used, and makes it a viable deer cartridge. The same bolt used for the .223/5.56 works for the .22 Nosler. That one went down, got up spun and went back down. 24 Hot 22 creedmoor 95gr SMK R26 powder F210 40.5 2995 12 41.0 3022 29 41.5 3085 12*** 42.0 3130. The Nosler has a case capacity of 35.6gr H2O while the 223 has 28.8gr so its about 25% bigger and runs off the same bolt face. In January 2017 Nosler introduced the 22 Nosler. The 22 Nosler was designed to offer a substantial increase in external and terminal-ballistic performance over the .223 Rem. With 25 percent more capacity, the 55-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet launches out at 3,350 fps through an 18-inch barreled AR-15 and a 77-grain custom competition bullet flies at a screaming 2,950 fps. I was happy with the Standard Deviation here as well: For a comprehensive collection of 22 Nosler load data, check out the official 22 Nosler Load Data from Nosler.com. For ten varied charges the average was 2.2305. The .22 Nosler (left) has a 25 percent greater case capacity than the .223 Rem. One thing that one must considered, with the rebated rim you’ll need to use a 223 bolt. In addition, the shoulder has been pushed slightly rearward in order to prevent a .223/5.56mm cartridge from chambering in a .22 Nosler chamber. The 22 Nosler case holds 34.2gr H2O at overflow, and 31.2gr H2O with a 55gr Ballistic Tip® seated to 2.260” OAL. The 22 Nosler next to a 223 Remington. For comparison, a 223 Remington case holds 27.4gr H2O with a 55gr BT seated at 2.260" OAL. Speer TNT The 26 Nosler is a SAAMI cartridge, and you can buy the cartridges, brass, bullets, uppers and magazines from Nosler. Nosler offers a conversion to convert common .223 rifles such as AR-15 models to accept 22 Nosler while still allowing them to retain the use of their .223 bolt carrier group. Not worth it, … 223 Remington Load Data; 5.56×45 NATO Load Data; 222 Remington Magnum Load Data; 22 PPC-USA Load Data; 225 Winchester Load Data; 22 BR Remington Load Data; ... 22 Nosler. I rechambered a 223 to 22 nosler and had to setback the barrel. The .22 Nosler will use bullets between 55 grains and 85 grains, with the heavier bullets giving the high ballistic coefficient that long-range shooters are after. Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet at 3,350 fps out of an AR-15 fitted with an 18″ barrel and a … I got to take it out to 800 yards at the SHOT Show’s Industry Day at the Range, and I can report very mild recoil in the gas gun, and the ability to see my own vapor trail and call my own shots in the desert air. 6.5 Grendel 90g. The new .22 Nosler is roughly 300 feet per second (fps) faster than .223/5.56 with over 30 percent more energy. Ultimate Reloader LLC is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. The.22 Nosler is a proprietary, rebated-rim case with about 15 percent more case capacity and 400 fps velocity than a.223 Rem., but the Nosler retains the same.378-inch case head diameter as the.223 Rem. He thinks the new 22 Nosler bears a striking resemblance to a wildcat from the 1960s: “The .22 Nosler looks like a throwback to the 1963-vintage .224 Winchester E5 experimental cartridge, right down to the rebated rim.” Here is an old Winchester print: (3500 fps for the .22 Nosler, compared to 3240 fps for the .223 Rem. The new .22 Nosler is roughly 300 feet per second (fps) faster than .223/5.56 with over 30 percent more energy. Use load data at your own risk. “Because of this, in order to convert a .223 Remington AR-15 barrel to 22 Nosler, you would need to remove the barrel extension, set the barrel back one turn, re-chamber the barrel to 22 Nosler, and then reinstall the barrel extension while keeping the gas port precisely at the 12 o’clock vertical position,” Payer said. It is the fifth cartridge designed by Nosler. Significantly, both rounds share the same .378 bolt face diameter, so if you build a rifle based on the Nosler you can use the standard mil-spec .223 bolt. The use of an 18" tube in a 6.8 case sized cartridge pushing 223 bulllet is ludicrous. has a 23-degree shoulder) begins at 1.389", as opposed to the.223 Remington’s 1.438". RDF bullet is an 85gr. The only visible change of note is the headstamp which is more faint compared to the 0x fired case and the 1x fired case. Elmo- When setting up the powder measure I was able to stabilize the charge dumps at 30.5 grains +/- 0.1 grain. I’d be curious to see what it would do with a 22″ or 24″ barrel! Both are designed as a long-range cartridge, offering a definite advantage over the ballistics of the 5.56mm/.223, both utilize long, heavy-for-caliber bullets which have the highest ballistic coefficients. The 22 Nosler is its own parent case, similar to a 6.8SPC, but with a rebated rim. The 22 Nosler has almost 25% more case capacity than the 223 … Apr 14, 2018; Banned #3 N. Ndbowhunter Senior Member. The case held up just fine, and I would continue loading and firing this case if the need arose. Here’s a picture of what that looked like: (please excuse the “diesel mechanic hands” ). 1, I sold my 204 ifle in favor of the 22-250 rifle. Standard .223. Please leave a comment! Poll: What handgun cartridge do you reload most often? However, there are some slight differences that may influence your decision. Joined Dec 27, 2012 Messages 3,316 Location Colorado. Ok you gun detail guys, can I rechamber my 223 to 22 Nosler and who would do that? twist at .22-250 velocities might not tear them apart in flight..22-Caliber Twist Rates From left, bullets that shoot accurately in a .223 Reming-ton with a barrel twist of one in 9 inches: Sierra 40-grain BlitzKing, Barnes 50-grain Varmint Grenade, Sierra 55-grain BlitzKing, Barnes 55-grain Tipped Triple-Shock, Nosler 60- 243 WSSM. Apr 12, 2018 #2 justinspicher Senior Member. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or Obviously, the Valkyrie competes directly with the 5.56mm/.223 Remington and .22 Nosler in the .22 cal AR-15 rifle cartridge bracket, but, well, the ballistics really tell the whole story here: Well then, that sure seems definitive, doesn’t it? We've got you covered.• .300 Win. I have 223 Rem & 223AI but I'm still looking to build up another. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .22-250 Remington vs .223 Remington ammo rounds. Thanks . Went to a 223 AI and get almost the same performance. Thanks . Nosler claims an increase in … Designed in conjunction with the 5.56 NATO cartridge, the platform is limited to cartridges of a particular case head diameter—0.378-inch for the 5.56mm—in order to function properly through the magazine. Friday, March 23, 2018. I don't think there was malice intended but if my count is correct we have killed 31 since Nov. 10th with this 22 Nosler 55 bt 33 cfe 223 load. The 6.8 SPC (left) is the parent case of the 22 Nosler (center) and 224 Valkyrie (right). 3349. 243 Win. bullets that deliver the goods at four figure distances. The 52 grain bullet handled wind better than the 35 grain bullet. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? 12 43.5. The 24” 556 loved the 50’s at 0.883 to 1.223 for an average of 0.99. November 15, 2017 Gavin 22 Nosler, Reloading Blog 22 Nosler, AR-15, PRS, Reloading Blog, Reloading Data, Reloading Press, Ultimate Reloader. Based on the 6.8 Remington SPC (with a 0.422″ case head), the .224 Valkyrie is designed to run in the AR-15, albeit with a larger bolt face, and was designed around the 90-grain Sierra MatchKing bullet. Ultimate Reloader is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. “Everything Old Is New Again…” Examining the 22 Nosler cartridge, our friend Grant Ubl had a case of “deja vu”. These take barrel length to work as demonstrated by the 22X6.8 I normally shoot. For comparison, a 223 Remington case holds 27.4gr H2O with a 55gr BT seated at 2.260” OAL. As factory loaded, this gives the .22 Nosler a 260 fps advantage in muzzle velocity (MV) with a 55 grain bullet. 24 Nosler. If you are looking for more velocity from a 22 caliber projectile with minimal changes to your existing AR-15, the 22 Nosler warrants strong consideration. I’m going to continue to experiment with loads, and hopefully put this rifle to work predator hunting with 22 Nosler very shortly! 6mm Creedmoor. If you’re serious about using a .22 caliber cartridge for true long range shooting, that makes a difference. In January 2017 Nosler introduced the 22 Nosler. Poll: What Reloading Components Can’t You Find? Olympic arms made a ar 15 in 22-250 it had mag problems but I don't know if they still do make them. The.223 Remington has a 23 degree shoulder while the.224 Valkyrie and 22 Nosler both have a steeper 30 degree shoulder. .22/250 velocities and you only need to fireform the brass. 22 Nosler vs. 224 Valkyrie vs. 223 Rem Experience what shooters around the world are calling the ultimate varmint hunting platform when you transform your standard AR into a 22 Nosler. The .224 Valkyrie is a similar concept, and will give similar performance. This article is a conclusion of a multi-part series covering 22 Nosler from “start to finish”. My real world chronograph speeds show me factory 223 55 vmax in a 24" tube to be 3100, Factory 22 nosler ammo to be 3475 in my woa 22" 12 twist , and my 204 handloads are right at 3650 in a 22" bolt gun with a low bc. I am not a fan of light bullets. The .22 Nosler uses a 1:8″ twist rate in its barrels, restricting bullet weight to 85 grains or less. 220 Swift. The .22 Nosler is the elder of the two, being released at the 2017 SHOT Show. Being a “hotrodded” cartridge with ~25% more powder pounding on a rebated rim (same surface area as .223/5.56) 22 Nosler inherently pushes the limits of the AR-15 further than .223/5.56. HPBT, G1 BC .498, G7 .245, and with an OAL length of 1.135”. You’d think that our fastest .22 centerfires—the .22-250 Remington and the classic .220 Swift—would have been adopted for long-range work, but the ugly fact is that the twist rate of their rifling precludes them from using the high B.C. In order to test this load I fired and reloaded the same case 10 times to see how the case would hold up. Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet at 3,350 fps out of an AR-15 fitted with an 18” barrel and a 77gr. When it comes to bullets, Nosler has been innovating the industry for over 70 years. 3370. $21.95 As low as: $18.66 . I don't think there was malice intended but if my count is correct we have killed 31 since Nov. 10th with this 22 Nosler 55 bt 33 cfe 223 load. The advantage in muzzle energy (ME) is about 226 ft. lbs. When it comes to bullets, Nosler has been innovating the industry for over 70 years. 240 Wby Mag. It uses the same 30 degree shoulder as the Nosler case, but the case length is just a bit shorter. Here’s how it performed. It offers about 30 yards longer MPBR and 5 to 6 inches less wind drift at 500 yards. Poll: What’s your number one reason for reloading? Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! The case has 25% more capacity that of the.223 and 35% more energy on target. When compared to the varmint classics of the last millennium, bullets are getting longer and heavier, twist rates are getting faster, and long range performance is improving. $20.95 As low as: $17.81 . The 22 Nosler is a .22-caliber (.224"), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler.The 22 Nosler is a SAAMI approved and standardized cartridge.. Background. Nosler has nice brass, is it nicer than starline..maybe a little, to most 223 shooters does it make a difference, most likely not, starline for the money makes very nice brass, I guess it depends on the convenience you want to pay for like pre-prep weight sorted ect. Your email address will not be published. First Look, Sponsored by Nosler: Gun Talk's Tom Gresham and Ryan Gresham test the new 22 Nosler® at 600 yards. First Look, Sponsored by Nosler: Gun Talk's Tom Gresham and Ryan Gresham test the new 22 Nosler® at 600 yards. The 90-grain Fusion has been used in the field with very good effect, and I’d say that it truly brings the Valkyrie into the 6mm class. The .224 Valkyrie uses a faster 1:7″ twist, thereby giving the ability to properly stabilize that 90-grain MatchKing, and I believe there are 100- and 105-grain models that will be stable with that twist rate. This “latest generation” 22 Nosler brass seems to be holding up great.